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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged from badonicus: This is from a post &#8211; with some additions &#8211; I made on Arthurnet about why Nennius (or whoever) used the term “dux”.  I do not claim it to be a scholarly work, but I have tried to give as many references as possible but there will be no bibliography.  I also [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=badonicus.wordpress.com&amp;blog=18785193&amp;post=1984&amp;subd=badonicus&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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This is from a post &#8211; with some additions &#8211; I made on Arthurnet about why Nennius (or whoever) used the term “dux”.  I do not claim it to be a scholarly work, but I have tried to give as many references as possible but there will be no bibliography.  I also apologise in advance for any bad Old Welsh and Latin. Dux erat bellorum/Dux belli The discussion about what Nennius (or whoever the compiler(s) and translators where) meant by “dux erat bellorum” (or &#8221;dux belli&#8221; in the Vatican recension) in &hellip;
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		<title>In Search of the &#8216;Original&#8217; King Arthur &#8211; Part Four &#8211; UPDATE</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been meaning to update this particular blog for sometime now and have finally been able to do so. Part Four of the blog looks at the character of Arthur son of Bicoir, and just after writing it I was made aware of some other information. It&#8217;s taking me this long to get a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=badonicus.wordpress.com&amp;blog=18785193&amp;post=1842&amp;subd=badonicus&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Part Four of the blog looks at the character of <em>Arthur son of Bicoir</em>, and just after writing it I was made aware of some other information. It&#8217;s taking me this long to get a hold of the book containing that information and it does change things somewhat.</p>
<p>To read this part of the blog, click <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/in-search-of-the-original-king-arthur-part-four/">HERE</a>. To start at Part One, click <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/in-search-of-the-original-king-arthur-part-one/">HERE</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[WHY DID THEY RAID? In the second part of this blog we’ll look at why these various Peoples may have raided at the same time, leading Ammianus to called it the Barbarian Conspiracy. If we look at why the Attacotti (and others) raided, we might get some idea of where they could have been from. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=badonicus.wordpress.com&amp;blog=18785193&amp;post=1782&amp;subd=badonicus&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/British_Museum_Coleraine_Hoard.jpg/300px-British_Museum_Coleraine_Hoard.jpg"><img class="zemanta-img-inserted zemanta-img-configured " title="Hoard of Romano-British cut silver, ingots and..." src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/British_Museum_Coleraine_Hoard.jpg/300px-British_Museum_Coleraine_Hoard.jpg" alt="Hoard of Romano-British cut silver, ingots and..." width="300" height="353" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Hoard of hacksilver &amp; ingots</p></div>
<p><strong>WHY DID THEY RAID?</strong></p>
<p>In the second part of this blog we’ll look at why these various Peoples may have raided at the same time, leading <em>Ammianus</em> to called it the <em>Barbarian Conspiracy</em>. If we look at why the <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Attacotti" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacotti" rel="wikipedia">Attacotti</a></em> (and others) raided, we might get some idea of where they could have been from.</p>
<p>It could be, of course, simply down to a weakened defences of Britannia, but Professor Guy Halsall (from his <a href="http://600transformer.blogspot.com/2011/02/northern-britain-and-fall-of-roman.html" target="_blank">Anderson Lecture, 2011</a> -), James Fraser (<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Caledonia-Pictland-Scotland-Edinburgh-History/dp/0748612327"><em>From Caledonia to Pictland</em></a>) and Fraser Hunter (<a href="http://www.groamhouse.org.uk/index.asp?pageid=44848"><em>Beyond the edge of the Empire</em></a><em> </em>) have put forward the varying possibility that these Peoples beyond the Roman frontiers (not only in Britannia but in Europe) were as much intertwined with the Empire as those within it, and may have suffered from its downfall, and changes of policy. They point out that the high quality Roman goods (especially silver in some areas) that some of the <em>P</em><em>icti</em>, Britons between the Walls and (possibly) the northern <em>Scotti </em>had<em>,</em> may have been bribes as well as the sign of trade with the Empire. (Hunter also notes the material and settlement collapse in the northeast of Scotland during the the Late 3rd and 4th centuries).</p>
<p>These ‘bribes’ and this trading ceased in northern and northeastern Scotland in the Late 3rd century. Was it because Roman policy towards them in particular changed? <em>This, </em>these authors wonder, could be part of the reason (or in some cases maybe the whole reason) why they raided. It was to say “<em>You stop paying us to leave you alone, then we won’t leave you alone</em>!” or “<em>Oh no, our supply of silver has gone, our status has gone done, we need to go and get some more &#8230; and show our bravery in our society through our daring fetes at the same time</em>!” Some of it may have been out of desperation as something drastic seems to have happen in these Scottish areas with settlement abandonment as well. But what?</p>
<p><strong></strong><strong><a class="zem_slink" title="Éire" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ire" rel="wikipedia">ÉIRE</a> &amp; <a class="zem_slink" title="Northern Ireland" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=54.5909333333,-5.84&amp;spn=10.0,10.0&amp;q=54.5909333333,-5.84 (Northern%20Ireland)&amp;t=h" rel="geolocation">ULSTER</a></strong></p>
<p>This is most likely the home of at least some of those raiding <em>Scotti</em>, and it is an area where Roman coins have been found, most notably in <a class="zem_slink" title="Ulster" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster" rel="wikipedia">Ulster</a>. This is the island where many think the <em>Attacotti</em> originated from, via that <em>aichechthúatha</em> argument or a people called the<em> *Ate (S)cotti</em> or the *<em>Atecotte</em>. (Also see WALES).</p>
<p>How about them coming from Éire (Southern Ireland)? It’s possible, but <em>Scotti</em> (or <em>Scoti</em>) was a general name for any group from the island of <em>Hibernia</em>, (or Goidelic speaking people in general?), although it became synonymous with northern <em>Hibernia</em> (Ulster). However, one would think the <em>Attacotti</em> would simply be grouped under <em>Scotti </em>if they were from the island. A counter-argument to this could be that they were only known by their name because they were captured. If another <em>Scotti</em> group had been captured, then, perhaps they too would be known by another <em>specific</em> name, rather than a general one.</p>
<p>It’s not out of the question that they were allies in raiding, and their <em>Scotti</em> ‘friends’ sold them down the river to the Romans &#8230; especially if they were seen as lowly <em>aichechthúatha</em>. This wouldn’t be the first time such a thing had happened, and this could also have been the case if they had been part of a Pictish confederacy instead.</p>
<p>However, since those Roman units were named after tribal groups, would they really go for <em>aichechthúatha</em>?<em> </em>If they’d been sold out by fellow<em> Scotti</em>, possibly, and Rance argues that other unit names may have derived from derogatory terms given by tribal overlords. (Rance, 2001, p.251) But there’s still the etymological problem.</p>
<p>It’s also worth considering the Romans in Ireland, which, until very recently was thought out of the question. However, with the discovery of a ‘Roman fort‘  at <a class="zem_slink" title="Drumanagh" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=53.54,-6.08&amp;spn=1.0,1.0&amp;q=53.54,-6.08 (Drumanagh)&amp;t=h" rel="geolocation">Drumanagh</a> near Dublin (<em>British Archeology</em>, March, 1996) opinion has change.</p>
<p>One fly in this ointment is the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>“There is surprisingly little Roman material in Ireland, but what there is has a strange distribution. None has been found in association with native material. Indeed, to a great extent the distributions of stray Roman and native objects are mutually exclusive. In other words, those native Irish possessed of a rich, <a class="zem_slink" title="La Tène culture" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=47.0069444444,7.02361111111&amp;spn=0.01,0.01&amp;q=47.0069444444,7.02361111111 (La%20T%C3%A8ne%20culture)&amp;t=h" rel="geolocation">La Tene</a>-derived, ornament industry seem to have been uninterested in Roman trinkets. Moreover in the South East, in Leinster, which has produced a fair number of Roman objects and even Roman-style burials and cemeteries, native material is surprisingly rare.” (Richard Warner, <em>British Archeology</em>, May, 1996)</p></blockquote>
<p>However, Roman hordes found in Ireland (north and south) include:</p>
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<li>4 silver ingots and 3 pieces of silver plate ( Late 4th C., Balline, Co Limerick, Éire)</li>
<li>1,701 silver Roman coins, a silver bowl, and 6 kg of silver ingots and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksilver">hacksilver</a> (Ballinrees, County Londonderry, Ulster)</li>
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<p><a href="http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_results.aspx">http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_results.aspx</a></p>
<p>(What a coincidence in those place names! Balline is in central-southern Éire and Ballinrees is near Coleraine at the central north of Ulster).</p>
<p>That’s a lot of silver in the Coleraine Hoard, and it’s specifically this kind of material that is thought could be used for pay-offs, so to speak &#8230; if it wasn’t taken during raiding. Webster and Brown (<em>The transformation of the Roman world AD 400-900</em>, p.213) certainly think the Coleraine Hoard was booty. The coins go up to Constantine III (408). If the policy of payment had stopped, then this lot definitely got the later items from raiding, unless Britannia did a one off ‘donation’! The hacksilver makes me wonder about this being part of a ‘bribe’, but I’m no expert. Philip Freeman in, ‘<em>Ireland and the classical world</em>’ (2001) wonders the same. Of course, this is just a single hoard and we’ve no idea what else may have been in the region or for how long.</p>
<p>But, we must keep in mind <a class="zem_slink" title="Jerome" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome" rel="wikipedia">St Jerome</a>’s grouping of the <em>Attacotti</em> with the <em>Scotti</em>, which could be telling.</p>
<p><strong>WALES</strong></p>
<p>First the north. We know there were setters and raiders in this area, from Anglesey to the Llŷn Peninsular. Any settlers would have become citizens by now and this is not what they may have been, having been made into <em>auxilia palatina</em> units (although they would be made citizens as soon as they became soldiers of the Empire!). This doesn’t rule out them being from somewhere else, such as Ireland or Scotland, and being captured here, or even based in the region as federates who then went of the rampage.</p>
<p>The southwest of Wales has the largest concentration of inscribed stones with Irish ogham than anywhere else in the UK. This is the region (now Dyfed, once <em>Demetia</em>) that Philip Rance argues for the <em>Attacotti</em> originating from in his extensive paper, ‘<em>Attacotti, Déisi and Magnus Maximus: The Case for Irish Federates in Late Roman Britain</em>’, (2001). It is traditionally said that its dynasty came via the <em>Déisi</em> from Munster in Ireland after their expulsion. This may be an origin myth but that there were Irish there (or Gaelic speakers and culture), there is no doubt, and many think, including Rance, that they were brought over as federates, just as the Germanic federates came to the east.</p>
<p>Rance’s theory forwards the argument that the <em>Déisi, </em>who were known to be an <em>aichechthúatha</em> (‘client people’)<em> </em>of the more dominant <em>Dál</em><em> Fiachach Suidge</em> of Ireland, were the <em>Attacotti</em>. His basic argument is based on one others have suggested, and that is that the name <em>Attacotti</em> derives from, not a tribe <em>per se</em>, but a section of Irish, or Cambro-Irish in this case, society called the <em>aichechthúatha</em> &#8211; a general term used for ‘rent-paying’ groups. It has been counter-argued that <em>aichechthúatha</em> would not produce <em>Attacotti</em>, but something more like *<em>Acectoti</em>. I’m no philologist, but that sounds right to me. But Rance also argues on the federate grounds and the number of them that may have been there that would account for large Roman units being able to be made from them. There could, indeed, have been a federate group (or groups) here from Hibernia (or northern Britain). An alternative might be that they weren’t known as <em>aichechthúatha</em>, but that another group called something like the *<em>Atecotte</em>. (See below) where in the area.</p>
<p>The reasoning based on the numbers sounds plausible, otherwise we have to account for how so many could have been captured. The answer could be the same as that which happened to the Alammani group mentioned in Part One.</p>
<p>Even if Rance is wrong about them being the <em>Attacotti</em>, his paper is worth a read for the information it contains on the subject. (Available at <em>JSTOR</em> for $12 if you’re not a member: <a href="http://www.jstor.org/pss/526958">http://www.jstor.org/pss/526958</a> )</p>
<p><strong>ALT CLUT</strong></p>
<p>Moving to Scotland, in this theory, the name comes from<em> A(l)t C(l)ut (Rock of Clyde)</em>; what is now Dumbarton Rock (The Rock of the Britons) in southwest Scotland. However, this is based on Charles Bertram’s 18th century medieval forgery ‘<em>Richard of Cirencester</em>’, and would require the Romans to miss out two Ls in the name.</p>
<p>This was certainly a British speaking region, lying between Hadrian’s and the Antonine Walls. Roman goods have been discovered here, so it is a possibility, under this scenario. They were certainly in a good geographical position to raid, not being too far from Hadrian’s Wall. There are coin hoard concentrations here too (Hunter, 2007, pp34-35) either achieved by raiding or bribery &#8230; or both. (If you look on the internet it is amazing to see how much it is almost stated as fact that the <em>Attacotti</em> were from here. It’s a possibility, that’s all).</p>
<p><strong>WESTERN ISLES/HEBRIDES</strong></p>
<p>This Western Isles is the area that would later become the Gael region of <em>Dál Riata</em> (<em>Dalriada</em>). There are many arguments now that their arrival was no invasion but that a similar culture (and probably Goidelic language) had been here a long time and began to spread during the 6th centuries. As Hunter notes, this Atlantic zone of the British Isles didn’t have the same trade (or raiding) as those further north and east. There are no coin hoards here, unlike those found in southern Scotland, but there are Roman finds, which appear to tie in with the Roman withdrawal from the Antonine to Hadrian’s Wall (Hunter, 2007, pp.32-33).</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that before the Late 4th century the <em>Attacotti</em> aren’t mentioned, nor are they mentioned again after the <em>Barbarian Conspiracy</em>, during <em>Flavius</em> <em>Stilicho&#8217;s</em> campaign for example. Only the <em>Scotti</em> and <em>Picti</em> are mentioned. It could be argued that this was the <em>Attacotti&#8217;s</em> first and last attempt at raiding, hence why there are no hoards found in the region. But, of course, this could go for <em>any</em> region with no or few finds.</p>
<p>This is another area that states as fact that this is where the <em>Attacotti</em> were from. Only another possibility, but if they were Goidelic speaking Britannians they could have been <em>likened</em> to the <em>Scotti</em> (and, indeed, could have had a similar culture)<em>,</em> yet known to have been from one of the Britannian Isles, therefore called Britons by St. Jerome.</p>
<p><strong>NORTHERN SCOTLAND</strong></p>
<p>Looking at the <em>Got</em>/<em>Cot</em>(?)/<em>Cat</em>/<em>Caith</em> of northern Scotland; the argument is, as put forward by the writer Carla Nayland ( <a href="http://www.carlanayland.org/essays/attacotti.htm">http://www.carlanayland.org/essays/attacotti.htm</a> ) &#8211; which she admits might be clutching at straws &#8211; suggests <em>Got</em> or Cat/<em>Caith</em> may have been *<em>cotti</em>. <em>Got</em> being part of<em> Atta/Ate Cotti </em>isn&#8217;t out of the question, as &#8216;c&#8217; and &#8216;g&#8217; could sound alike. (Remember, the name for themselves could have been something like *<em>Attacotos</em>, *<em>Athogotos, *Ardgothos</em> or the like). If it was Pictish we’ll may never know its meaning whoever it sounded. It could even have been Xavier Delamarre’s, *<em>Atecotto,</em> later shorterned and remembered as <em>Got</em>. (This might not work on etymological grounds!).</p>
<p>It would be a very long way for this lot to be raiding, but it’s not out of the question as the <em>Dicalydones</em> and the <em>Verturiones </em>(both most likely confederations)<em> </em>had certainly travelled a long distance &#8230; and all three are from the area (north and northeast Scotland) that Hunter identifies as going through some kind of crisis in the 4th century. The region does show signs of contact with the Empire, especially in silver, so <em>Cot</em> could, like the other Pictish areas to their south, have been greatly affected by the Empire’s (possible) change in policy. It may not all have been down to a Roman change in policy, but it could have been a major factor<strong>.</strong></p>
<p>One possibility I would forward is that, if these were the <em>Attacotti</em>, it could have been the capture of a great many of their young men that really tipped the balance and led to further decline as the Romans drew their young men away.</p>
<p>Whilst <em>Got/Cat/Caith</em> (supposedly) stretched to the Hebrides in the west, Hunter has shown, as noted above, that the Atlantic side of far northwestern Britain didn’t have as much a contact with Roman culture and doesn’t appear to have been as affected by any Roman policy change. But no one can be sure of the extend of the supposed seven Pictish ‘nations’, and at this time they were most likely far more fragmented. As I mentioned, if the name is Pictish, we may never know its meaning, and <em>if</em> the north’s language and culture had been influenced by Scandinavia it would complicate things even further, but might explain why they would not be lumped in with the Picts. But, again, it could simply be because they had been caught that we know them by a specific, rather than a generalised, name. Ammianus would only have been told these people were called <em>Attacotti</em>; he, most likely, would have had no idea where they were from.</p>
<p>(See: <a href="http://tenthmedieval.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/iron-age-picts-and-their-spoken-language/" target="_blank">Jonathan Jarret’s blog</a> for some more on the Pictish problem; <a href="http://600transformer.blogspot.com/2011/02/northern-britain-and-fall-of-roman.html" target="_blank">Guy Halsall’s blog</a>, who warns about the general problem of just who the Romans called <em>Picti; </em>Tim Clarkson’s <em><a href="http://senchus.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Senchus</a></em> blog for all things Pictish and Northern British).</p>
<p><strong>CONCLUSIONS?</strong></p>
<p>So, am I going to stick my neck out and say where I think they were from? Not on your nelly! A reading of St. Jerome should indicate either Irish or, at least, Goidelic speaking, but he calls them Britons. This was either because they were from the British Isles or it was just because the Roman unit was formed there &#8230; unless he&#8217;s referring to a group of <em>Attacotti</em> before their Roman military formation, which is possible. If this is the case, then it may point to them coming from a Gaelic (Goidelic) speaking region of Britain and at this point in time that may only be, what is now, southwest or northwest Wales or the Western Isles of Scotland.</p>
<p>There’s as a case for those <em>Gots</em> of Caithness, who, like those Picts to their south, seemed to be going through some kind of crisis. But the etymology might be a problem.</p>
<p>If they were from southwest Wales, as Rance considers, then they may have to have been new arrivals to end up as <em>auxilia palatina</em>, but the derivation of the name doesn’t seem to work &#8230; to this laymen at least. However, there&#8217;s more argument for this region as to why a great many barbarians might have been captured, never to cause a problem again.</p>
<p>Any of these ‘barbarian’ regions may have had something to lose from <em>not</em> raiding and a lot to gain. Did they do it just to get booty, hostages or slaves, or was it to try and get the Romans to start bribing them again, so they didn’t have to risk their necks on these ever increasing dangerous missions. Was the <em>Coleraine Hoard</em> a long term part of this, so it worked for the <em>Scotti</em>, but was a huge disaster for the <em>Attacotti</em> and a general failure for the Picts? Who knows, but it is food for thought.</p>
<p>The jury will have to remain out a while longer (or forever!) but I hope this has, at least, added to the debate.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and I look forward to your thoughts, comments and correction.</p>
<p>(For a related blog on the <em>Barbarian Conspiracy</em>, which looks at where the British province of <em>Valentia</em> might have been, click <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/the-fifth-romano-british-province-of-valentia-part-one/" target="_blank">HERE</a>).</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>UPDATED 25.12.11</strong></p>
<p>In this Two Part blog I will take a look at a people of Britannia (or Hibernia/Ireland) called the <em>Attacotti</em> who were involved in the so called <em>Barbarian Conspiracy</em> of 364-367 and who, after their defeat or perhaps later, were made Roman military units. Many have discussed this issue, but I hope to add at least a little more to the debate.</p>
<p>It’s said that the <em>Barbarian Conspiracy</em> of 364-367 involved the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts"><em>Picti</em></a>, <em>Scotti </em>and <em>Attacotti</em>. The latter tribe is hard to identify (not having been mentioned by the 2nd century geographer <em>Ptolemy</em>, although it could have been a later collective name given to some he identified) and they have been placed as far afield as Ireland, the west coast of Scotland and southwest Wales. Wherever they were from, after the <em>Conspiracy, </em>(either<em> after</em> their defeat and capture, or later under treaty), their warriors ended up being made into several Roman military <em>auxilia palatina</em> units &#8230; something apparently unique amongst the British tribes (Rance, 2001, p.1).</p>
<p>The <em>Attacotti</em> are, indeed, an enigmatic group. Some place them in the Western Isles or Western Scotland, but there is an argument put forward by Philip Rance (‘<em>Attacotti, Déisi and <a class="zem_slink" title="Magnus Maximus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Maximus" rel="wikipedia">Magnus Maximus</a>: The Case for Irish Federates in Late Roman Britain</em>’, 2001) that they were actually the <em>Déisi</em> of <em>Demetia</em> (now Dyfed) then known as <em>aichechthúatha</em> (‘client people’) &#8211; a general term used for ‘rent-paying’ groups of Irish &#8211; so would have been in what is now southwestern Wales. (There are counter arguments to this on linguistic grounds, which I will go into later, although Rance’s argument isn’t just an etymological one). The writer Carla Nayland has wondered about them being a culturally distinct group amongst the Pictish nation: that is the region the <em>Picti</em><em>sh Chronicles</em> called <em>Got</em> and the Irish translation of <em>Historia Brittonum</em> called <em>Cat</em> or <em>Caith</em> (as in Caithness) in northeast Scotland. ( <a href="http://www.carlanayland.org/essays/attacotti.htm">http://www.carlanayland.org/essays/attacotti.htm</a> ). Carly admits it might be clutching at straws to suggest <em>Got</em> or <em>Caith</em> were *<em>cott</em>, but it&#8217;s worth a look.</p>
<p>I’ll look at where they might have been from later.</p>
<p><strong><em><a class="zem_slink" title="Ammianus Marcellinus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammianus_Marcellinus" rel="wikipedia">AMMIANUS MARCELLINUS</a></em></strong></p>
<p>It’s in Book 27 of his history, the 4th century imperial historian <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammianus_Marcellinus">Ammianus Marcellinus</a> </em>tells us:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It will, however, be in place to say, that at that time the Picts, divided into two tribes, called <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Dicalydones" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicalydones" rel="wikipedia">Dicalydones</a></em> and <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Fortriu" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortriu" rel="wikipedia">Verturiones</a></em>, as well as [in the same way] the <em>Attacotti</em>, a warlike race of men, and the Scots [Irish or, possibly, Goidelic speaking Britannians], were ranging widely and causing great devastation; while the Gallic regions, wherever anyone could break in by land or by sea, were harassed by the Franks and their neighbours, the Saxons, with cruel robbery, fire, and the murder of all who were taken prisoners.”<strong> [brackets are mine]</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>However, in Book 26 he has said they all were attacking the &#8216;Britons&#8217;. This certainly make it sound that they were not Britons themselves, or certainly not from within the diocese. I&#8217;ll look at this in more depth later.</p>
<p>Since the <em>Picti</em> were from the north, and there may have been <em>Scotti</em> there too in the Western Isles, it’s generally argued that the <em>Attacotti</em> must be from the north also. But this doesn’t necessarily follow. In fact, the line “were ranging <em>widely</em> and causing great devastation” may suggest otherwise. Yes, there was definitely trouble in the north but they could have been from the far west, as Rance (and others before him) have suggested (but see below), or, if they were from Ireland, and raided (and settled?) that could be anywhere on the western seaboard, from Lancashire to the Isle of Anglesey in northwest Wales and even down to northern Cornwall. If they were from, and encountered as a federate group, somewhere in Wales, it might be the reason why so many could be captured as it wasn’t so easy for them to escape. But, the question has to be asked, why was there no <em>Scotti</em> Roman unit, or <em>Dicalydones</em> or <em>Verturiones</em>? Didn’t they get caught? There must have been a considerable number of <em>Attacotti</em> to have made a unit or two out of them.</p>
<p><strong>MILITARY UNITS</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong> <strong><em><a class="zem_slink" title="Notitia Dignitatum" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notitia_Dignitatum" rel="wikipedia">Notitia Dignitatum</a>  </em></strong>(List of Offices) &#8211; is an official list of late Roman administrative and military posts from anywhere around 400 AD.)</p>
<p>It’s not something I do lightly, but I will quote the <em>Wikipedia</em> section on the <em>Attacotti</em>, as I think it’s very well written: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacotti"><em>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacotti</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notitia_Dignitatum"><em>Notitia Dignitatum</em></a> is a list of offices of the early fifth century <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire">Roman Empire</a>, and includes the locations of the offices and the staff (including military units) assigned to them.</p>
<p>The names of several units resembled that of the Attacotti who were mentioned by Ammianus, and in an 1876 publication <a class="zem_slink" title="Otto Seeck" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Seeck" rel="wikipedia">Otto Seeck</a> assigned the name <a class="zem_slink" title="Attacotti" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacotti" rel="wikipedia">Atecotti</a> to various spellings (&#8220;acecotti&#8221;, &#8220;atecocti&#8221;, &#8220;attecotti&#8221;, &#8220;attcoetti&#8221;, &#8220;[<em>illegible</em>]ti&#8221;, and &#8220;arecotti&#8221;) in the Notitia Dignitatum, and documented his assignments within the publication. This produced four conjectural occurrences of Atecotti-related units: Atecotti [Illyricum] Atecotti juniores Gallicani Atecotti Honoriani seniores Atecotti Honoriani juniores.</p>
<p>The discovery of a contemporary funerary dedication to a soldier of the &#8220;unit of Ate[g,c]utti&#8221; in the Roman <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese_of_Pannonia">Diocese of Illyricum</a> supports this reconstruction, as the <em>Notitia Dignitatum</em> places one Atecotti unit in that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_diocese">diocese</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>It’s highly probable that all these units weren’t formed at the same time, and the title &#8216;<em>Honoriani</em>&#8216; may suggest two of them were created during the reign of the <a class="zem_slink" title="Honorius (emperor)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorius_%28emperor%29" rel="wikipedia">Emperor Honorius</a> (395-423 AD) and named in his honour, whilst the <em>Atecotti </em>of<em> Illyricum </em>and, perhaps, the <em>Atecotti Iuniores Gallicani</em> were, the original units. (Scharf, 1995, 163-5)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.H.M._Jones">A.H.M. Jones</a> (<em>History of the Later Roman Empire</em>, Blackwell, Oxford, 1964 p 682) estimates that there may have been 600 or 700  to a unit but it could have been up to 800, and this is a lot. Not that there has to have been that many <em>Attacotti</em> of course. They could have been the majority and others could indeed have been <em>Scotti</em> and <em>Picti</em>. Two of these units were cavalry. This could mean they were good horsemen, which might give an argument that they weren’t seaborne raiders, but mounted? However, it is also possible they were good on both land and sea.</p>
<p><strong><em><a class="zem_slink" title="Auxilia palatina" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxilia_palatina" rel="wikipedia">AUXILIA PALATINA</a></em></strong></p>
<p>It could be telling that two of the units were <em>auxilia palatina </em>(the <em>Atecotti Honoriani Seniores</em> and the <em>Atecotti Iuniores Gallicani</em>). These were élite barbarian regiments of the imperial escort armies. This could be the fate of those barbarians who were captured or who made a treaty, and many a Germanic people became them. They were a type of unit the 4th century military writer <em>Vegetius</em> didn’t agree with in his ‘<em>Epitome of military scienc</em>e’. He thought citizen raised armies better trained and more trustworthy.</p>
<p>The fact that the <em>Atecotti Iuniores Gallicani</em> were one of these units may point to these being the first. However, because the <em>Atecotti Honoriani Seniores</em> were also <em>auxilia palatina</em> it could mean they were also one of the first, with the title <em>Honoriani</em> attached later.</p>
<p>One Germanic bunch of warriors, besieged on an island in the Rhine had to decide their own fate:</p>
<blockquote><p>“In the winter of that year,[298/299] a host of <em>Alamanni</em> infantry was crossing the frozen Rhine. When the ice suddenly broke, they became trapped on an island, whereupon Constantius sent the river fleet to besiege them. To come to terms, they had to hand over a number of warriors as recruits for the Roman army. These were not &#8220;captives&#8221; (as the panegyric claims), but rather treaty-bound allies, for the troops chose among themselves who had to go. Worsted tribes often picked among themselves the warriors they were required to contribute to the Roman army; it was in Rome&#8217;s interest to enroll men who liked to serve, who were least needed at home, and who were therefore least likely to desert. Bound to each other by tribal ties of trust, an Alamannic king and his followers were likely to have stayed together when giving themselves up for service in the Roman army.”  (Raising New Units for the Late Roman Army: &#8220;Auxilia Palatina&#8221;, Michael P. Speidel, Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 50 (1996), pp. 165-166)</p></blockquote>
<p>Could it have been a similar fate of the <em>Attacotti</em>? If so, it could mean that they had to have been from <em>outside</em> the diocese of Britannia and not from somewhere like <em>Demetia</em>, which was within <em>Britannia Prima</em>. Unless they were newly arrived in the region but not yet citizens.</p>
<p>What would be interesting to know is how long the <em>Attacotti</em> as a ‘tribe’ had to supply young men as part of a possible treaty. Did this stop when Roman rule ended? The problem is we can’t be certain when that was, even though 410 is the date usually given. Some young <em>Attacotti</em> might have thought there was a better life for them in the service of the empire. However, most tribal based units would soon become ethnically diverse.</p>
<p><strong>ST. JEROME</strong></p>
<p>We get St. Jerome (c. 347-420), a priest from the borders of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia_(Roman_province)">Dalmatia</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia">Pannonia</a> who travelled in Gaul between 365-370 AD, mentioning the <em>Attacotti</em> in rather unflattering terms in his <em>Treatise </em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Jovinianus"><em>Against Jovinianus</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>“Why should I speak of other nations when I, a youth, in Gaul beheld the <em>Attacotti</em>, a British tribe, eat human flesh, and when they find herds of swine, cattle, and sheep in the woods, they are accustomed to cut off the buttocks of the shepherds, and the paps of the shepherdesses, and to consider them as the only delicacies of food.”</p></blockquote>
<p>There have been various theory on whether he meant human flesh or if there was a miss-translation from &#8220;<em>humanis</em>&#8221; (human flesh) for &#8220;<em>inhumanis</em>&#8221; (animal flesh). (See the Wikipedia article for more information). However, the Greek historian <em>Strabo</em> (64/63 BC – ca. AD 24) was the first to call the Irish gluttonous, incestuous cannibals. (<em>Celtic Culture: a historic encyclopaedia, </em>Koch, 2005, p.846)</p>
<p>In Jerome&#8217;s <em>Letter to Oceanus</em> he complains about the promiscuous <em>Attacotti</em>, <em>Scotti</em>, and the people of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_(Plato)">Plato&#8217;s Republic</a>. Why does he mention the <em>Scotti</em> here? Was it because they were both Goidelic speakers? Or was it because there were, indeed, <em>Scotti</em> in the <em>Attacotti</em> units. Or was it because the <em>Attacotti’s </em>behaviour reminded him of the <em>Scotti</em>? Rance wonders if it was simply for literary effect<strong>. </strong>Of course, the <em>Attacotti</em> being Goidelic (Gaelic) speakers does not mean they couldn’t be Britannians, as Ken Dark has argued. (<em>Britain and the End of the Roman Empire</em>). However, as Rance also points out, the Romans perceived the Irish (<em>Scotti</em>) as cannibals (true or not) so this could, indeed, be why they’re mentioned together. But if they were, say, a Pictish people, why would <em>they</em> be mentioned here?</p>
<p><strong>(Updated) There is one slightly strange thing; if Jerome experienced this encounter with the <em>Attacotti</em> when he was a ‘youth’ and he was born in c. 347, then he came across them <em>before</em> the <em>Barbarian Conspiracy</em>! Unless he counted being 22 or so as a ‘youth’, or, his birth date is later than thought, in the early or mid 350s?  They could have been formed <em>before</em> the troubles in Britain began (again), or, as Philip Freeman (&#8216;<em>Ireland and the Classical World</em>&#8216;, 2000, p.96) points out, Jerome could have been referring to a <em>raiding</em> group of <em>Attacotti</em> before they&#8217;d been made into a military unit. If this is the case then they may indeed have been from Ireland as we know the <em>Scotti</em> raided as far as northern Gaul.</strong></p>
<p><strong>IN FOR ME, IN FOR ME!</strong></p>
<p>The three above classical writers aren’t the only ones to have a go at the <em>Scotti</em>. As Philip Freeman in his excellent book, ‘<em>Ireland and the classical world</em>’ (2001) notes, there were plenty of other writers mentioning them. <em>Pomponius Mela</em> and <em>Solinus</em> commented on the <em>Scotti’s</em> lack of morality and Freeman tells us how Jerome may have been influenced by Caesar’s description of the polygamous Britons (p.100). <em>Prudentius</em> (c.348-405) calls them “<em>the half-wild Scottus, worse than war-hounds</em>”. (Like Britain, Ireland supplied the empire with war or fighting dogs. (<em>Symmachus</em>, c.393). Of course, the irish weren’t the only ones classical writers had it in for. Many a barbarian was written about in unfavourable terms.</p>
<p><strong>BRITONS, GWYDYLS OR FICHTI?</strong></p>
<p>So, were the <em>Attacotti</em> Britons, Gaels(<em>Gwydyl</em>) or ‘Picts’ (<em>Fichti</em>) &#8230; or, as Carla Nayland suggests, something unique within the Pictish confederacy, perhaps with Scandinavian influence, hence why they are named separately? St. Jerome calls them Britons, but he may just have known that they originated from Britannia, and that may have meant the island and not the Roman diocese of “The Britains’. We don’t know if he heard them speak, or, even if he had, if he would have understood them.</p>
<p>As I mentioned above, there have been many attempts to identify them by their name with it coming from Goidelic <em>aichechthúatha</em>, or something like the<em> Atta/Ate (S)cotti</em>, or deriving from <em>Alt Clut</em>. (I will look at these in more detail in Part Two)<em>. </em>St. Jerome’s text could be used to relate them with the <em>Scotti</em>, but this is not entirely conclusive. However, I would favour the explanation given in ‘<em>The Dialects of Ancient Gaul’</em> by Xavier Delamarre (p.57), with their name meaning &#8220;<em>Very Ancient (ones</em>)&#8221;. Intensive prefix *<em>ate</em> + <em>cotto</em> &#8211; &#8220;old&#8221;  from either Early Irish or Brittonic, which were much closer languages at the time. (Thanks to Christopher Gwinn for reminding me of this). The alternative, as mentioned, could be the same intensive prefix *<em>ate, </em>but plus<em> (S)cotti</em>. Meaning a particularly nasty group of <em>Scotti</em>.</p>
<p>Not that this help us locate them! What I think we should be looking at is <em>why</em> there was a concerted (if it was) raiding and if knowing ‘why?’ will help with ‘where?’ &#8230; and that’s exactly what I’ll be doing in Part Two.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and I look forward to your thoughts, comments and correction.</p>
<p>Mak</p>
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<p>The next two blogs will be out soon &#8230; I hope!</p>
<p>The first is entitle &#8216;<em>The <a class="zem_slink" title="Attacotti" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacotti" rel="wikipedia">Attacotti</a> &#8211; Britons, <a class="zem_slink" title="Gaels" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaels" rel="wikipedia">Gaels</a> or <a class="zem_slink" title="Picts" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts" rel="wikipedia">Picts</a>?</em>&#8216; and I will take a look at a people of the Isle of  Britannia (or <em>Hibernia</em>/Ireland) called the <em>Attacotti</em> (<em><a class="zem_slink" title="Attacotti" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacotti" rel="wikipedia">Atecotti</a></em>) who were involved in the so called <em>Barbarian Conspiracy</em> of 364-367. Many have discussed this issue, but I hope to add at least a little more to the debate.</p>
<p>The second is called &#8216;<em>King Arthur &#8211; Man, Myth &#8230; or Both?</em>. Whether the figure of Arthur was a historicized myth or a mythologized man has been debated and written about numerous times, some might say ‘to death’. There’s not much point writing about the subject again unless something new can be brought to the discussion, and that’s what I hope to do in this blog.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Mak</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong><em>PART SEVEN</em> WAS ACCIDENTALLY PUBLISHED TOO EARLY. IT&#8217;S TWO POSTS BACK, OR CLICK <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/king-arthur-provincial-dux-comes-or-tribunus-part-seven/">HERE</a> TO SEE IT.</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_1490" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 605px"><a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/king-arthur-a-provincial-dux-comes-or-tribunus-part-four/seffons_britannia_map/" rel="attachment wp-att-1490"><img class="size-full wp-image-1490" title="Seffons_Britannia_Map" src="http://badonicus.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/seffons_britannia_map.jpg?w=645" alt=""   /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Provinces based on Anne Dornier&#039;s theory with my own thoughts (kindly created for me by Steffon Worthington)</p></div>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>The (wonderful!) map above isn&#8217;t quite correct in its placement of some of the northern tribes and will be updated soon, but I wanted to get this blog out this weekend.</strong></p>
<p><strong>THE EAST:<a title="Maxima Caesariensis" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_Caesariensis" rel="wikipedia"> </a><a title="Maxima Caesariensis" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_Caesariensis" rel="wikipedia">MAXIMA CAESARIENSIS</a> &amp; FLAVIA </strong><strong>CAESARIENSIS</strong> <strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong></strong>If <a class="zem_slink" title="Ken Dark" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dark" rel="wikipedia">Ken Dark</a> (and others) are right, and the eastern provinces were still trying to function, even with ‘Anglo-Saxon’ presence, then Arthur could have been used in the fight back against them <em>within</em> these provinces. There could have been British elite elements within them that came together to fight the cultural and military expansion of the Germanic (and Scandinavian?) elements. This may seem more unlikely, especially in light of what Gildas says about the division between these two cultures in his day after the victory of Badon and subsequent battles, but it’s still a possibility. Below is a map created for the blog<a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/all-quiet-on-the-eastern-front-part-one/" target="_blank"> <em>All Quite On The Eastern Front?</em></a> that shows the possible british enclaves. (Ken Dark think these eastern British areas may have been even larger).</p>
<div id="attachment_999" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 528px"><a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/all-quiet-on-the-eastern-front-part-seven/gildasianarchaeologyasregions2/" rel="attachment wp-att-999"><img class="size-full wp-image-999  " title="GildasianArchaeologyASRegions2" src="http://badonicus.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gildasianarchaeologyasregions2.jpg?w=645" alt=""   /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A rough placing of the &#039;Anglo-Saxon&#039; regions (map based on Howard Wiseman))</p></div>
<p><strong>THE BATTLES &#8230; YET AGAIN.</strong></p>
<p>Many have struggled to place the battles within these two eastern provinces, but without much success. This is not surprising for the opposite reason to the Cornish and Welsh or even Scottish battle sites: the domination of English place names.</p>
<p>A none-royal military <em>dux</em> could be exactly what we would find in what was the Civil Zone If Arthur was, indeed, the defeater of the southern &#8216;Saxons&#8217;, then, perhaps, this is where the battles should be. This is where Collingwood tried to place them in the 1930s &#8230; in the southeast. Fighting mainly <em>within </em>these provinces certainly shouldn&#8217;t be ruled out, but it is slightly harder to understand why all those western seaboard kings gave their sons the name in the late 6th century &#8211; unless he was brought in from outside to the eastern provinces, or married in from outside &#8211; or as to why Gildas talks of a division between Britons and &#8216;Saxons&#8217; after Badon.</p>
<p><strong>CITIES</strong></p>
<p>Whilst most cities had gone into disuse by Gildas’s time, archaeology has shown us that there are a number that didn’t: <a class="zem_slink" title="Wroxeter" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.66974,-2.64767&amp;spn=0.1,0.1&amp;q=52.66974,-2.64767 (Wroxeter)&amp;t=h" rel="geolocation">Wroxeter</a>, York, Chester, <a class="zem_slink" title="Silchester" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.3533,-1.1014&amp;spn=0.1,0.1&amp;q=51.3533,-1.1014 (Silchester)&amp;t=h" rel="geolocation">Silchester</a>, London,  Cirencester and others. What these cities were like at the end of the 5th century, or what they were used for, is hotly debated.  No matter what their use was - administrative  marke centret, ecclesiastical - any city would need its own militia to protect it, and either their hinterland supplied extra men when needed or they themselves may needed to have supplied some men to a provincial force. The cities could have brought in mercenaries or <em>feoderati.</em> Two of these cities had Irish (or Goidelic speaking Britons) buried in them: Roman Wroxeter (<em>Viriconium Cornoviorum</em>) in modern day Shropshire, and Silchester (<em><a title="Calleva Atrebatum" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.3572222222,-1.0825&amp;spn=0.01,0.01&amp;q=51.3572222222,-1.0825%20(Calleva%20Atrebatum)&amp;t=h" rel="geolocation">Calleva Atrebatum</a></em>) in Wiltshire:</p>
<ul>
<li>Wroxeter: CVNORIX | MACVSM/A | QVICO[L]I[N]E, ‘<em>Cunorix son of Maqui Coline</em>’ (c.460-475, Wright/Jackson/1968)</li>
<li>Silchester – EBICATO[S]/[MAQ]I MUCO[I--], ‘<em>of Ebicatus, son of the tribe of … </em>‘ (c. 500-700, Fulford/Clarke/1999 or 350-425, Fulford <em>et al</em> 2000).</li>
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<p>Wroxeter was in <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Britannia Prima" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Prima" rel="wikipedia">Britannia Prima</a>,</em> but Silchester was in <em>Maxima Caesariensis &#8230; </em>if we&#8217;ve got the borders right!<strong> </strong>What these gentlemen were, we may never know, but they could have been warriors.</p>
<p>What these cities called their military leaders is unknown. Perhaps St Germanus&#8217; meeting a man of <em>tribuni</em> staus at St Albans (<em>Verulamium</em>), might point to it being this, but this event was some sixty years previous.</p>
<p><strong><em>DUX BRITANNIAE (DUKE OF THE BRITAINS) OR MAGISTER MILITUM (COMMANDER IN CHIEF)</em>?</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong>The one point on which most of these scholars who forward the possible survival of the provinces agree on, and I’d have to agree with them too, is the unlikelyhood of a <em>dux</em> in charge of warriors of <em>all</em> the remaining British run provinces in <em>Britannia</em>, or, to add to this, that a <em>comes</em> would be allowed to function cross provincial borders &#8230; but, never say never. This being the case it makes it hard to know why a <em>dux</em> of <em>Britannia Prima</em>, for example, would be fighting north of the Wall &#8230; if this is where some of the Arthurian battles were? Conversely, what would a northern <em>dux</em> of <em>Valentia</em>, for example, be doing fighting at Badon, IF it was in the southwest, in <em>Britannia Prima</em>, or even at the proposed Lincolnshire site (Thomas Green, 2008)?</p>
<p>Of course, the simple answer could be the battles weren’t in the north, or those in the north were either later additions or the battles of some other Arthur. All possible. There are other possibilities: provinces assisted one another at times; Arthur fulfilled the position as <em>dux</em> (or c<em>omes</em> or <em>tribunus</em>) for two or more provinces, at different times in his career; he fought battles as a warband ‘battle leader’ in the <em>Old North</em> (between the Walls)  and became a <em>dux</em> (or <em>comes</em> or <em>tribunus</em>) for a southern province; he was actually only a <em>dux</em> of a single kingdom/<em>civitas</em> and this still could see him in charge of ‘kings’ in the form of petty kings. Poetry or oral &#8216;history&#8217; about him would probably not remember or mention such details, or mix details of deferent parts of his life into one narrative. However, as discussed earlier, at the time of Badon, was it only the more Romanised regions (and possibly the north) that would have military only (none-royal) <em>duces</em>? Perhaps not, and the evidence from Gildas isn&#8217;t conclusive.</p>
<p>What about a <em>Magister Militum</em>? This was the highest military rank you could achieve and a very famous 5th century one, <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegidius" target="_blank">Aegidius</a></em>, is said to have been made a king by the Franks (<em>reges Romanorum/Romanorum rex/princeps Romanorum</em> in various sources), although some scholar have doubted this. David Dumville has wonder if this person could have either inspired or was used as a model by the British in the more Romanised regions (2003). Is this what Ambrosius Aurelianus was? As mentioned earlier, it is this position that Gidlow wonders being given to the &#8216;Saxon&#8217;, &#8216;Hengist&#8217; (or whatever his name might have been), which is why they were able to take two provinces during the rebellion.</p>
<p>If there was a <em>Magister Militum </em>in late 5th century Britain, it&#8217;s impossible to him discern him from the only source we have.</p>
<p><strong>WHY COULDN&#8217;T THEY STOP THE &#8216;ANGLO-SAXONS&#8217;?</strong></p>
<p>To digress slightly, the one questions that is always foremost in my mind with the &#8216;continuity&#8217; argument (as opposed to those who say Britain fragmented not long after Roman withdrawal)  and that is why, if we had enough soldiers in Britannia and it was still a united diocese, we couldn&#8217;t stop the &#8216;Anglo-Saxon&#8217; rebellion and domination of culture? If the &#8216;Anglo-Saxons&#8217; seized the two more Romanised province then why didn&#8217;t the huge provinces of the north and west band together to expel them?</p>
<p>Complex question, I know, which probably has an even more complex answer. Those who argue fragmentation would simply point out these areas weren&#8217;t united enough to defeat them, but there are other alternatives:</p>
<p>1. The northern and western provinces were united but didn&#8217;t care what was happening in the east; perhaps even thinking these provinces deserved it. It didn&#8217;t seem a problem until the became a threat to them.</p>
<p>2. They saw a benefit in these provinces being weakened and took advantage of it.</p>
<p>3. The <em>whole</em> of the diocese was actually under &#8216;Anglo-Saxon&#8217; control (or rule) for a while at least, via a Germanic <em>vicarus</em> and <em>Magister Militum</em> as per Christopher Gidlow&#8217;s, and Nick Higham goes along the lines.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no reason why it couldn&#8217;t be the latter if there had been a <em>coup d&#8217;état</em>. It would just be one more usurption with a &#8216;Saxon&#8217; in charge instead of, say, a Spaniard (<em>Magnus Maximus</em>). (For this to work, however, it would have to be early on, I would have thought, when there was a diocese). But they then brought more &#8216;friends&#8217; over the North Sea to help and, in time, they <em>militarily</em> outnumbered the British even though they were still outnumbered perhaps 10:1 or even 20:1 in the population as a whole.</p>
<p>In the last part (promise) I will look at civil roles and if any conclussins can be drawn from all my ramblings.</p>
<p>Thanks again for reading, and I look forward to you comments, thoughts &#8230; and corrections.</p>
<p>Mak</p>
<p>PS: HUGE thanks to the map maker <a href="http://steffworthington.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Steffon Worthington</a> for creating the Anne Dornier based map free of charge! There are lovely people at the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/groups/arthurtheking/" target="_blank">Facebook King Arthur Group</a> page!</p>
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<div id="attachment_1490" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 605px"><a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/king-arthur-a-provincial-dux-comes-or-tribunus-part-four/seffons_britannia_map/" rel="attachment wp-att-1490"><img class="size-full wp-image-1490" title="Seffons_Britannia_Map" src="http://badonicus.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/seffons_britannia_map.jpg?w=645" alt=""   /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Provinces based on Anne Dornier&#039;s theory with my own thoughts (kindly created for me by Steffon Worthington)</p></div>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>The (wonderful!) map above isn&#8217;t quite correct in its placement of some of the northern tribes and will be updated soon, but I wanted to get this blog out this weekend.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>THE WEST &amp; WEST MIDLANDS: <a class="zem_slink" title="Britannia Prima" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Prima" rel="wikipedia">BRITANNIA PRIMA</a></strong></p>
<p>What if Arthur were <em>dux</em> (or one of the other ranks) of <em><a title="Britannia Prima" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Prima" rel="wikipedia">Britannia Prima</a> </em>(II of the map)? This province (which, unlike in this version of provincial placements, could have got up to the Mersey and included North Wales) <em>could</em> have existed in its immediate post Roman form, or, it could have shrunk by fragmentation. Most scholars see this province of the Late Roman period with the more Romanised Britons to the east (in the Lowland or Civil Zone) and the less Romanised to the west (in the Highland and Military Zones), as based on the archaeology. However, they appear to have taken to Roman material goods and Latin inscribed stones <em>after</em> the Empire had departed, possibly through the influence of <a class="zem_slink" title="Catholic Church" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church" rel="wikipedia">Roman Christianity</a>, but possibly for other reasons too, which I&#8217;ll explore below.</p>
<p>Most argue that it is kings of this province who <a class="zem_slink" title="Gildas" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gildas" rel="wikipedia">Gildas</a> refers to in DEB. <a class="zem_slink" title="Ken Dark" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dark" rel="wikipedia">Ken Dark</a> puts forward the possibility of three eatern <em>civitates</em> of this province surviving in a more ‘Roman’ form, under some kind of administration (<em><a class="zem_slink" title="Dobunni" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobunni" rel="wikipedia">Dobunni</a></em>, <em>Cornovii</em> and <em>Silures</em> as Gwent) whilst the rest were ruled by kings (petty kingdoms with an over-king) and Nick Higham and <a class="zem_slink" title="David Dumville" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dumville" rel="wikipedia">David Dumville</a>, in general, agree. It could have been only these three <em>civitates</em> that made up the province, one of which Gildas was in. Or, conversely, if Higham&#8217;s theory is right, the more westerly kingdoms could have made up the province, as he certainly sees the <em>Dobunni </em>and <em>Cornovii</em> as tribute payers to the &#8216;Anglo-Saxons&#8217;. But, they <em>all</em> could still have been part of it even if the two or three of its <em>civitates</em> were having to do so. (The provinces could also have been only in name with no real political power).</p>
<p>(There are two very opposing views with regard <em>Dobunni </em>and <em>Cornovii</em> given by Christopher Gidlow (<em>Revealing King Arthur</em>, 2010), who sees the archaeology pointing to these two being a major force against the east, and Nick Higham, who sees the Cornovians as being weak and both <em>civitates</em> being tribute payers. Right there is a perfect example of the problems on agreement with this period in general. Not to mention that one sees the evidence pointing to Arthur existing and one not.)</p>
<p><strong>The sum of all parts?</strong></p>
<p>With a province made up of so many parts (if it still was), and that would be around 8 (major ones) that we know of, it’s hard to know how they would agree to a provincial army and its <em>dux</em> without the Empire there to enforce it. (Unless it did have an over-king, such as the later king <em>Maglocunus/Mailcun/Maelgwn</em>, to enforce this?). Each <em>civitates</em> and kingdom could have been obliged to supply men, as explored earlier, or, the <em>dux</em> could have had <em>bucellarii</em> (of Hibernians?) as his personal force making him slightly independent of them but able to be supplemented by them. Or, the most powerful and dominant <em>civitas </em>or kingdom chose the <em>dux</em> or general &#8230; or it was done on a rotational basis. All these points go for the northern provinces too.</p>
<p>With either Irish <em>feoderati</em>, <em>laeti,</em> settlers or Goidelic speaking Britons in many western parts of this province (northern <em>Dumnonia</em>, <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Kingdom of Dyfed" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Dyfed" rel="wikipedia">Demetia</a></em> and northwest <em>Venedota</em>), it could be <em>they</em> who were used to supplement the Britons. If Arthur was a general of mixed race (or a Goidelic speaking Briton) it might go some way towards explaining why it was one of these regions (<em>Demetae</em>/<em>Demetia</em>) that may first have reused the name, followed by others in the north, as I explored in <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/in-search-of-the-original-king-arthur-part-one/" target="_blank">THIS</a> blog &#8230; if, indeed, that is was reused and<em> Arthur ap Petr</em> (King Arthur of <em>Demetia</em>) wasn&#8217;t the &#8216;original&#8217; himself.</p>
<p>There are suggestion by Dark (2003) and Stuart Laycock (2010) that it was this province that was courted by the Western and later <a class="zem_slink" title="Byzantine Empire" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire" rel="wikipedia">Byzantine Empire</a> in a reversal of fortunes &#8211; which is why &#8216;Roman&#8217; material goods are found within it, especially at Tintagel &#8211; and it was <em>Dumnonia</em> and perhaps other <em>Britannia Prima</em> elements that supplied the king, <a class="zem_slink" title="Riothamus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riothamus" rel="wikipedia">Riothamus</a> and his supposed 12,000 men to fight for the failing western Empire in Gaul in the 470s. If the figure of 12,000 men is anywhere near the truth (and it may not be) this is a huge force. Whether they were all Britons (or just Britons from Britannia) is another question, but, either way, he was commanding (or in charge of with a commander?) a large force, and an army of this size, or even part of it, couldn’t have come form one kingdom or <em>civitas</em>. (David Dumville (2003) thinks southern Britain may have been his base).</p>
<p>If there was this coordination (or cooperation) in the 460s/470s, (again, possibly instigated by <a class="zem_slink" title="Ambrosius Aurelianus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus" rel="wikipedia">Ambrosius Aurelianus</a>) enabling a single king to command this many Britons, there’s the <em>possibility</em> that it could have still been there in the 490s where most place the <em>Siege of Badon </em>&#8230; although the fact that Riothamus was defeated could have had a major impact on the following decades, depending on how many of those 12,000 were lost, or simply didn&#8217;t return to Britannia. We can only guess as to what this defeat (yet another one after Magnus Maximus and Constantine III) did to the morale of the British.</p>
<p>(There’s always the haunting question of how a British king could afford to take this many men abroad (if he did) during a time when we were supposed to be suffering attacks from the ‘Saxons’. Of course, there could have been a peace at the time, but it’s not out of the question that some of his men were Saxo-Britons or other Germanic elements).</p>
<p>As an aside: imagine if we&#8217;d never heard of Riothamus via the Continental sources and only from a legend that told us how a British king (who left no British genealogy) fought alongside Romans in the 470s with 12,000 men? We&#8217;d probably think he was only a myth. The same would go for Ambrosius Aurelianus had Gildas not mentioned him. (I&#8217;m not a supporter of Riothamus=Arthur or Ambrosius=Arthur, by-the-way, but I always keep an open mind).</p>
<p><strong>THOSE DARN BATTLES &amp; OTHER ARTHURIAN SITES</strong></p>
<p>Looking at where those Arthurian battles are placed by those who champion a <em>Britannia Prima</em> Arthur (North Wales, South Wales East Wales, Somerset, Cornwall, Devon), they range from being localised as civil war battles or against Hibernians (Blake and Lloyd) to having him fighting deep within &#8216;Anglo-Saxon&#8217; territory. (Rodney Castledon, 2000/2003). There is, of course, a Camlan in northwetern Wales (<em>Afon Gamlan</em>); there&#8217;s a Camelford in Cornwall, a Killbury (Celliwig, Celliwic, Kelliwic, <em>Kelliwig</em>, <em>Kelli Wig</em>?) in Cornwall, a <em>Gelliweg</em> (Celliwig, Celliwic, Kelliwic, <em>Kelliwig</em>, <em>Kelli Wig</em>?) on the Llŷn Peninsular, as well as a <em>Guinnion</em> (<em>Cerrig Gwynion</em>), which is an old Iron Age hillfort between Llandudno and Bangor &#8230; not to mention the not far away hillfort of <em>Bwrdd Arthur. </em>Chester or Caerleon (<em>City of Legions?</em>) and Badon (if it is where some suggest) lie within or in the border region of this province. But we shouldn&#8217;t be surprised to find such names like Camlann or Gwynion here. Not because Cornwall and Wales have a huge Arthurian tradition (which, of course, they do) but because their languages derived from Brittonic and these names may not be that uncommon.</p>
<p><strong>POET&#8217;S CORNER &#8230; AGAIN</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s the poem ‘<em>The Elergy of Gereint son of Erbin</em>’, said to be fought at <em>Llongborth</em> and, whichever location you go with, it would most likely be in this province. Here are a couple of verses:</p>
<blockquote><p>In Llongborth I saw Arthur&#8217;s Heroes [men] who cut with steel.</p>
<p>The Emperor [ammherawdyr] ruler of our labour.</p>
<p>In Llongborth Geraint was slain,</p>
<p>A brave man from the region of Dyvnaint [Devon],</p>
<p>And before they were overpowered, they committed slaughter.</p></blockquote>
<p>(There are arguments that, if this really happened, this may have involved Arthur’s men only, or a unit named after him, and not necessarily Arthur. (Gidlow, 2010).</p>
<p>No other surviving early poetry (if, indeed these poems are early) gives Arthur a (possible) geographical location &#8230; this is excluding the Triads, which do.</p>
<p><strong>GEOFFREY OF MONMOUTH</strong></p>
<p>It is most likely either a Geoffrey of Monmouth invention, or a Cornish one, but he, of course, places Arthur&#8217;s conception at Tintagel (<em>Din Tagel</em>), and calls him &#8216;<em>The Boar of Kernyw</em>&#8216;. However, there may have been a number of Kernyw/Cornows in this province in the 5th century, including <em>Cornovii</em> (<em>Cornow</em>) and one in central Wales, beside the one that gave its name to Cornwall (<em>Kernow</em>), and it may not have come from an ancient source at all.</p>
<p>In Part Six we&#8217;ll look at the eastern provinces and conclusion on all this will appear in Part Seven.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and I look forward to comments, thoughts … and corrections,</p>
<p>Mak</p>
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<p><strong>FROM GENERAL TO GOVERNOR OR KING?</strong></p>
<p>Many great military leaders have gone on to political position, either by force or being elevated to them. If Britain’s provinces did survive and tried to keep some form of Roman structure (even if not law), it is not inconceivable that someone who was once a general of some kind went on to be, or was given, the position as a <em>rectores</em> (governor) or even king. As noted, the <em>tribuni</em> of the province of Egypt also held a military position. If the chronological gap between the subduing of the ‘<a class="zem_slink" title="Anglo-Saxons" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons" rel="wikipedia">Anglo-Saxons</a>’ (unless Nick Higham&#8217;s theory is right and they subdued the Britons) and Arthur’s supposed death at <a class="zem_slink" title="Battle of Camlann" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camlann" rel="wikipedia">Camlan</a>, twenty-one years after <a class="zem_slink" title="Battle of Mons Badonicus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mons_Badonicus" rel="wikipedia">Badon</a>, have any bases in truth (and it may not) then it could have been that he fulfilled this position for at least some of this time. Or, he could have been elevated to a king &#8230; and not necessarily an over-king. Or, perhaps Camlan could have been him trying to rise to a military position again, and failing? We’ll never know. (I&#8217;m I&#8217;m going to explore this question of the supposed gap between Badon and Camlan at a later date).</p>
<p><strong>THE &#8216;PHARAOH&#8217;</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong> <a class="zem_slink" title="Gildas" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gildas" rel="wikipedia">Gildas</a> seems to indicate that the five kings he chastises were led by a ‘Pharaoh’, and some have wondered if he is referring to a provincial governor or military commander. Here’s what Gildas says:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“I will briefly set down the threatenings which are denounced against these five aforesaid lascivious horses, the frantic followers of Pharaoh […]” (DEB §37)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>He is obviously being metaphorical but how literal? He has already compared the <em>Proud Tyrant</em> <strong>* </strong>to the Pharaoh of <em>Isaiah 19</em>. The above is a bit of a strange sentence, as the ‘<em>five aforesaid lascivious horses’  </em>should, perhaps, be <em>leading</em> the Pharaoh as metaphorical horses, not the other way around. If it were this way around it might mean they were leading their governor (or over-king) down the wrong path, and he couldn’t do anything about it; but this appears to mean they were <em>following</em> his lead &#8230; if he was a ‘he’. Gildas, unfortunately, says nothing more on the matter. Was there someone above these kings even Gildas wouldn’t dare to chastise? Possibly. The alternative is Gildas simply meant that they where led by the example of the <em>Proud Tyrant</em>; that is, they were carrying on in his manner. Nick Higham takes this to mean that they behaved in exactly the same way as the council that ill advised (in his eyes) the <em>Proud Tyrant </em>to bring in ‘Saxon’ federates.</p>
<p><strong>*</strong>The <em>Proud Tyrant</em> is generally thought to have been (the over-king or equivalent?) <em>Vortigern</em>, and Bede certainly names him as this figure, (as does a later version of the <em>DEB</em>) but there are some scholars who believe it could be referring to either of the usurping emperors from Britannia, <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Magnus Maximus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Maximus" rel="wikipedia">Magnus Maximus</a> </em>or<em> Constantine III</em>. If it were one of these, I&#8217;d say the latter.</p>
<p><strong>THE FATHER-DEVIL</strong></p>
<p>There is one more character worth looking at and that is the one Gildas says is the kings&#8217; &#8220;<em>father the devil</em>&#8221; (<em>pater diabolus</em>). This Higham takes to be the over-king of the &#8217;Anglo-Saxon&#8217; (<em>Aelle</em>?) but he translates it as &#8216;<em>father-devil</em>&#8220;. It&#8217;s an excellent observation given that Gildas refers to the &#8216;Saxons&#8217; as devils. (It&#8217;s not one <a class="zem_slink" title="David Dumville" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dumville" rel="wikipedia">David Dumville</a> agrees on). Gildas also calls <a class="zem_slink" title="Constantine (Briton)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_%28Briton%29" rel="wikipedia">Constantine of Dumnonia</a> <em>an &#8220;instrument of the devil&#8221;</em> and he appears to mean the <em>devil</em> in the Biblical sense. So, as far as my none-academic, none Latin literate mind can tell, Gildas could simply mean &#8230; well, &#8220;their father the <em>devil</em>&#8220;. Unless this &#8216;father-devil&#8217; could be an over-king/over-lord of <a class="zem_slink" title="Britannia Prima" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Prima" rel="wikipedia">Britannia Prima</a>? I will have to bow to those of superior knowledge in all things Gildasian and Latin.</p>
<p><strong>CONCLUSIONS</strong></p>
<p>There are two questions to be answered here:</p>
<p>1. Could there have been provincial <em>duces</em>, <em>comes</em> and/or <em>tribunus</em>?</p>
<p>2. If Arthur existed, could he have been one of these?</p>
<p>If my reading of the evidence is right (and it may not be!) there where <em>duces</em> (military leaders) even in Gildas&#8217;s time (early to mid 6th century), but there&#8217;s no mention (unless that &#8216;<em>Pharaoh</em>&#8216; is he) of an overal <em>dux </em>(but see below). Gildas doesn&#8217;t <em>appear</em> to mention the north, however, so we can&#8217;t say for this region., (Although there are arguers for <em>Maglocunus</em> being of the north and not (just?) North Wales).</p>
<p>Gildas is more than a generation away from Badon, so things could have been different then. In the west and those regions that had kings, they too could be the <em>duces</em>, and Gildas seems to say as much. Only areas that still retain some semblance of a division of civil and military rule may have had <em>duces</em> who weren&#8217;t kings (<em>per se</em>). Those kings in the west and north who weren&#8217;t perhaps so war-like, or had visions of old Imperial grandeur, could also have used <em>duces</em> to lead their warbands. It might be more correct to say these war leaders were <em>tribunus</em>: generals, but given the name <em>duces</em> in later (Gildasian) times? Christopher Gidlow in his book <em>The Reign of King Arthur</em> (2004) also points out that the term <em>duces</em> could be used in all manner of ways in <a class="zem_slink" title="Late Antiquity" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Antiquity" rel="wikipedia">Late Antiquity</a> (pp.41-44).</p>
<p><strong>The <a class="zem_slink" title="Dux" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dux" rel="wikipedia">Dux</a> of Britannia Prima?</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a very good conclusion to Gildas&#8217;s use of these five kings of<em> Britannia Prima</em> (?) made by Professor Higham, and that is that Gildas is berating them not just because of their lapsed moral ways, but because he knows they are the province&#8217;s (or Britannia&#8217;s) <em>only</em> military hope and is trying to scare them into doing something about the &#8216;Saxon&#8217; problem. Higham also points out that Gildas spends more time on <em>Maglocunus</em> than on all the other kings put together, and this was because, in Gildas&#8217;s eyes at least, he was the most powerful amongst them or, perhaps, held some kind of sway over them, or some of them. Gildas says this king is &#8220;<em>higher than</em> <em>almost all duces of Britannia in both royalty and physique</em>&#8220;. Not &#8220;all&#8221; but &#8220;<em>almost</em> all&#8221;, so there was another. In Higham&#8217;s eyes this is the &#8216;Anglo-Saxon&#8217; over-king, in GIdlow&#8217;s it&#8217;s Outigern. Whether Higham is right is another matter, and his conclusions fits with his &#8216;Anglo-Saxon&#8217; dominance of even eastern <em>Britannia Prima</em>, so it might be coloured by this. (But who am I to argue?).</p>
<p>Could this mean <em>Maglocunus</em> was the<em> Dux Britannia Prima </em>at the time of Gildas, and so he as an over-king held this &#8216;military&#8217; position? If Higham is wrong, then who is the <em>dux</em> who is higher than him? Someone of the north, if <em>Maglocunus</em> wasn&#8217;t from there or held power over it? It doesn&#8217;t seems to be one of the other kings mentioned. Gidlow wonders if this figure was <em>Outigern</em>.</p>
<p>If there were other positions active before Gildas’s time he wasn’t aware of them, or didn’t mention them, but it would seem that the <em>LIfe of St Germanus</em> mentions a <em>tribuni</em>, but this was over a hundred years before Gildas. However, we have got a &#8216;<em>protector</em>&#8216; in western Britannia. I&#8217;ve mentioned this title before, but here&#8217;s a quote, again from<a href="http://www.fectio.org.uk/articles/ranks.htm" target="_blank"> Robert Vermaat&#8217;s <em>Fectio</em> website</a>, to tell you what one was:</p>
<blockquote><p>The <strong><em>protector</em></strong> (title) was originally a member of the select corps that Gallienus created as a group of loyal men around him. This group changed into a kind of school for officers, making men who were promoted from the ranks to become a <em>protector</em> before they were posted to their new ranks and duties. Some of these <em>protectores</em> were posted to the staff of field commanders (<em>deputati</em>) to gain experience, and performed a great number of duties. They could be sent to round up recruits and vagrants, or act as border guards controlling exported goods. Their more military duties could include the arrest of important persons, as related by Ammianus Marcellinus, who himself was a member of the ten <em>protectores domestici</em> in the staff of the general Ursicinus.This group was named <em>domestici</em> (men serving in the entourage of the Emperor, although also dispersed over the lower army staffs) to distinguish them from ordinary <em>protectores</em>, who succeeded to a command of a unit after serving for a number of years as <em>protector</em>. Other military tasks included special missions, such as preparing temporary forts on campaign, or the arrest of officers.</p>
<p>When a soldier reached this stage of cadet officer, it finally meant a break from his original unit, because only the Emperor could decide to transfer men from one unit to another. Promotion was therefore very slow and it is not surprising that higher officers used their influence to get instant commissions for their sons. Bribery was rife in the Roman army, but men appointed thus instead of rising through the ranks had to pay certain fees and charges. When during the fifth century the flexibility of the promotion system decreased, the <em>domestici</em> and protectores became a static body.</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt very much that this is what <em>Vortiporix</em> (the gentleman who held this title in <em>Demetia</em>) was, but old Imperial ranks and titles (such as <em>rectores, magister</em> and <em>speculatores</em>) were being used, even if their role wasn&#8217;t the same. Counter to Collingwood&#8217;s theory, a <em>comes </em>(<em>companion</em> or <em>count</em>) with a field army may be the one position that didn&#8217;t survive, but a <em>dux</em> of the time may have fulfilled that role also.</p>
<p><strong>SO?</strong></p>
<p>With all this in mind, it seems that it it is entirely <em>possible</em> that an historical Arthur (if he existed) fulfilled some kind of none-royal military position &#8230; someone did! This could have been any of the three ranks, but with more likely that of <em>tribuni</em> or <em>dux</em>. If there was a a military provincial <em>dux</em> I would favour there being one of the north, as <a class="zem_slink" title="Ken Dark" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dark" rel="wikipedia">Ken Dark</a> suggests, because of its Roman military past and the forts that were reused, but other regions having one (or several) is not out of the question. In fact, if we are reading Gildas right, they did have several, we just don&#8217;t know their exact military function. It’s something we may never be able to answer as we may never know the political situation and structure of late 5th century Britannia, unless there is some miraculous literary find.</p>
<p>Arthur in such a position could make sense of two things: why the name was only used by later Hiberno-Britannians (or regions) or Hiberno-Britons (see <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/in-search-of-the-original-king-arthur-part-one/" target="_blank">THIS</a> blog) and why he, like <a class="zem_slink" title="Ambrosius Aurelianus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus" rel="wikipedia">Ambrosius Aurelianus</a>, left no (reliable) lineage. The first reason could have been because he was, indeed, from one of the several British regions of a Gaelic speaking/British mix (and this could even include what is now part of Cornwall) and was chosen as a military leader because of his past military deeds, because it was felt he was someone they could trust &#8230; or because of his wealth.  He could have been from within a province or brought in from another one &#8230; or, even from outside of the diocese.</p>
<p>The second reason for an Arthur of Badon not appearing in any (reliable) regional genealogies would be because he wouldn’t be of a kingdom’s royal line, or an over-king, so no genealogy would survive. But that only may apply to the west and north. If he was from the east he may not leave any genealogy even if he was a great king because of the &#8216;Saxon&#8217; conquest. (Yet Wales preserved even northern kings&#8217; lineages). Whatever he was and wherever he was from, (if he existed!) he would, however, had to have still been a ‘wealthy’ and powerful man.</p>
<p>This blog has explored only <em>one</em> possibility for what Arthur <em>might</em> have been, and it certainly helps makes sense of him being in charge of kings and their warbands in battle as per the H.B., but not being a king (or major king) himself if he was in a military position. However, there are always other options, which I’ll explore at a later date.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to read the lengthy ramblings of a layman, and, once again I look forward to your comments, thoughts and corrections,</p>
<p>Mak</p>
<p>PS: HUGE thanks to the map maker <a href="http://steffworthington.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Steffon Worthington</a> for creating the Anne Dornier based map free of charge! There are lovely people at the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/groups/arthurtheking/" target="_blank">Facebook King Arthur Group</a> page!</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>The map above isn&#8217;t quite correct in it&#8217;s placement of some of the northern tribes and will be updated soon.</strong></p>
<p>In the next three blogs I want to look at the various regions, starting with the north, and how a military commander of some kind could fit into the political situations. (Apologies for its length!)</p>
<p><strong>THE NORTH: <a class="zem_slink" title="Britannia Secunda" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Secunda" rel="wikipedia">BRITANNIA SECUNDA</a> (?) &amp; VALENTIA (?)</strong></p>
<p>The strongest arguer for a provincial <em>dux</em> in the north probably comes from Professor <a class="zem_slink" title="Ken Dark" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dark" rel="wikipedia">Ken Dark</a> with his theory on the northerly province (or provinces) as possibly retaining (or reattaining) someone who had a similar command in the north to the old <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Dux Britanniarum" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dux_Britanniarum" rel="wikipedia">dux Britanniarum</a></em>. (Not to mention those who favour this region as being where Arthur was from). This, he postulates in both <em>Civitas To Kingdom</em> and<strong><em> </em></strong><em>Britain &amp; The End Of The Roman Empire</em>, is because all but one of the forts under the command of the <em><a title="Dux Britanniarum" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dux_Britanniarum" rel="wikipedia">dux Britanniarum</a> show signs of reuse</em> into this period (this is the only region were Roman forts were reused and not hillforts) as well as the road from York to the Wall appearing to have been mentained.</p>
<p>As explored in my <em>‘<a href="https://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/the-fifth-romano-british-province-of-valentia-part-one/" target="_blank">Valentia &#8211; The Fifth Romano-British Province</a></em>’ blog, this northern area was most likely divided into two, with one of these provinces being Valentia and the other either <a class="zem_slink" title="Britannia Secunda" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Secunda" rel="wikipedia">Britannia Secunda</a> or <a class="zem_slink" title="Flavia Caesariensis" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavia_Caesariensis" rel="wikipedia">Flavia Caesariensis</a> (depending on which scholar&#8217;s theories you go with) as discussed in the last blog. We don’t know what happened to this division after Roman rule ended, but it’s <em>possible</em> they became one again &#8230; if they, indeed, survived. There may be more chance for this (or these) surviving in the area in question as it appears to have been made up largely of the very large and <em>civitas</em> of the <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Brigantes" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigantes" rel="wikipedia">Brigantes</a></em> (capital at York), and so possibly less likely to fragment at the time, not to mention because the number of descendants of Roman soldiers there. However, with the amount of Roman soldiers (mainly Germanic or Gaulish) that may have been left here, it&#8217;s hard to see how they would give it over to a tribal group(s) or leader(s) &#8230; although, by the last decade of Roman period there may have to have been British militias to supplement them. (They would also most likely be married to local woman and have &#8216;British&#8217; offspring). It&#8217;s more likely to be governed by whoever was the most powerful militarily. (More on this below).</p>
<p>In fact, Dark&#8217;s theory suggests it might have been a <a class="zem_slink" title="Brigantes" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigantes" rel="wikipedia">Brigantian</a> based hegemony, centred at York, that would have to have done this. This could be why all these <em>civitates</em> tribal names disappeared. There wasn&#8217;t just the Brigantes! There were also the <em><a class="zem_slink" title="Carvetii" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carvetii" rel="wikipedia">Carvetti</a> </em>(may have become <em>Rheged</em>), the <em>Latenses</em> (became <em>Elmet</em>), the <em>Gabrantovices</em>, the <em>Sentantii, </em>the<em> Lopocares, </em>the<em> </em><em>Corionototae</em>, the <em>Parisi</em> (became <em>Deira</em>) and probably more, including <em>Bryneich</em> (became <em>Bernnicia</em>). It should be noted though, that some other scholars do not see this region as a united area at any time.</p>
<p>There is another factor that Professor Dark doesn&#8217;t consider, and that&#8217;s the division of the northern province in the mid 4th century. As explored in my <a href="https://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/the-fifth-romano-british-province-of-valentia-part-one/" target="_blank"><em>Valentia</em> blog</a>, The Roman expert, J C Mann, argues that this division has to have been the splitting of this northern province (rather than between the Walls) because that was Roman policy when creating a new one in an existing diocese. Whether this was done north/south or east/west, he argues that for it to have been given consular status, which it was, its capital must have been York, the second city &#8230; unless this had been changed to somewhere like Chester and Anne Dornier&#8217;s theory about Valentia being in the west is right. What it means is that the Brigantian <em>civitas</em> must have been divided also. What then happened to the western portion of this, which appears to have been between the <em>Carvetti</em> (northern Cumbria) and <em>Sentantii </em>(southern Lancashire)<em> civitates</em>? Had it been an area that wasn&#8217;t actually Brigantian but was under its hegemony, so was happy to be split from it? We&#8217;ll never know, but it would have to be &#8216;reclaimed&#8217; in Dark&#8217;s theory, and there&#8217;s always the possibility that it was <em><a class="zem_slink" title="King Cole" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Cole" rel="wikipedia">Coel Hen</a></em> that started this and was the first &#8216;overlord&#8217; (in whatever form) of the north. There is even a (tenuous) link given for Coel Hen to Arthur, via Coel&#8217;s supposed son-in-law, <em>Cunedag</em> (<em>Cunedda</em>). But, let&#8217;s not get carried away! (As an aside, the only poem we have about Cunedda &#8211; <em>The Death Song of Cunedda</em> &#8211; only mentions him fighting in the east (around Durham somewhere) and west (Carlisle) of this area. No mention of Wales).</p>
<p>Perhaps a telling point is the sharp delineation of the ‘Anglian’ and British areas at the <a class="zem_slink" title="River Trent" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=53.7008333333,-0.691111111111&amp;spn=0.1,0.1&amp;q=53.7008333333,-0.691111111111 (River%20Trent)&amp;t=h" rel="geolocation">River Trent</a>; the river thought to have been the provincial and <em>civitas </em>boundary to the southeast. There&#8217;s also what might have been the difference between the <em>Parisi</em>/<em>Deira</em> region and <em>Brigantia</em> with the former containing &#8216;Anglian&#8217; settlement on a large scale. Of course, there could have been other reasons for the Trent delineation, nothing to do with military unity or strength, but it’s certainly a possibility that it was a strong northern British force (or forces) that kept them at bay. There’s also the possibilities that the province or <em>civitates </em>that bordered to the southeast were just as worried by their powerful northern British neighbours as they were of the Germanic expansion, and placed (more) Germanic and/or Scandinavian mercenaries in them as a safeguard.</p>
<p><strong>POET&#8217;S CORNER</strong></p>
<p><strong>Y Gododddin</strong></p>
<p>It may be from north of the Wall (near the Antonine Wall actually) but this is where we get, what some argue to be, the first mention of Arthur in the collection of poems that went up to make the<em> Y Gododdin</em>.</p>
<p><strong>(The next section about<em> Y Gododdin</em> is copied and pasted from an earlier blog. You can aways skip it if you&#8217;ve read it)</strong></p>
<p>Attributed to the bard/prince Neirin/Aneirin, ‘<em>Y Gododdin’</em> (The <a title="Gododdin" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gododdin" rel="wikipedia">Gododdin</a>) is a British poem (actually a collection of poems), the originals parts of which are thought to date to the early 7th century. (Koch, 1999).  It tells of a doomed battle at <em><a title="Battle of Catraeth" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Catraeth" rel="wikipedia">Catraeth</a> </em>(thought by most, but not all, to be Catterick in North Yorkshire) between the men of Gododdin and their allies against the ‘English’ of what would become Northumbria:  the <a title="Bernicia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernicia" rel="wikipedia">Bernicians</a> and the Deirans.  In it is contained what is thought to be the earliest reference to Arthur:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>He charged before three hundred of the finest,</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>He cut down both centre and wing,</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>He excelled in the forefront of the noblest host,</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>he gave gifts of horses from the herd in winter.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>He said black ravens on the ramparts of fortress</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>Though he was no </em><strong><em>Arthur</em></strong><em>.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>Among the powerful ones in battle,</em> <em>in the front rank, Gwawrddur was a palisade.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em></em> <em>(Jarman, 1990, V99, 64)</em></p></blockquote>
<p><a title="John Koch" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Koch" rel="wikipedia">John Koch</a> in his translation of the work conclude that this section is part of the original B Text and not a later addition, as discussed earlier, although there are other scholars who disagree with him (Isaacs <em>et al</em>). Even if Koch is right, we still can’t be certain, as explored and mentioned in earlier blogs, which Arthur it refers to: an ‘original’ or, possibly, <em>Artúr mac Áedán</em> or even <em>Arthur son of Bicoir</em>, both of whom could have been active in the area.  If we knew the exact date of the battle we might have a better chance of coming to some informed conclusion.  By this I mean If the battle or the poem took place <em>before</em> <em>Dalriada</em> became the enemy then it could indeed be referring to him.  If it happened <em>after,</em> then it is unlikely.  Unless they were in the habit of praising their enemy.</p>
<p>If<em> Y Gododdin</em> is referring to someone other than the Arthur of Badon fame he was obviously gaining public attention in the last quarter of the 6th century (<em>if</em> Koch&#8217;s dating is right!) and the fact that most of the Arthur names occur in the North has led some to the conclusion that he must have originally been from there or had been active there.  It would certainly make sense of Aneirin mentioning him if he was also their most famous ‘local’ hero.  But ‘local’ could mean anywhere from the Hadrian&#8217;s Wall northwards.</p>
<p>(To read the full blog of the above, click <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/in-search-of-the-%E2%80%98original%E2%80%99-king-arthur-%E2%80%93-part-eight/" target="_blank">HERE</a>)</p>
<p><strong>WHAT IF?</strong></p>
<p>There are going to be a lot of IFs in the next paragraph, but just bear with me:</p>
<p>If Arthur was a <em>dux</em> for of this province or provinces, does this help make any sense of the (meagre) information we have for him, such as the <em><a title="Historia Brittonum" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_Brittonum" rel="wikipedia">Historia Britonnum</a></em>  (H.B.) battle list, or any other information above? (See <a href="http://badonicus.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/a-different-look-at-a-battle-poem-part-one/" target="_blank">THIS</a> blog for a discussion of the H.B. battle list). Well, firstly, I don’t think him being a <em>dux</em> of some kind would <em>necessarily</em> lead to him being called ‘<em>dux erat bellorum</em>’ (leader of battles). If the H.B list is based on a poem (or poems), then it obviously just called him this (in Brittonic) and not <em>‘dux Valentium</em>’ or whatever. Secondly, if the battle list is anywhere near the ‘truth’ (and it may not be) there are some who place many of these battles in the north. Many of these would be <em>outside</em> these provinces (to their north and south). Only Camlan, <em>if</em> it was <em>Camboglana</em> (Birdoswald) on the Wall (its border), and <em>Guinnion</em>, <em>if</em> it is Binchester, would be <em>within</em> it &#8230; if it was one province. If it was two provinces then one would be in each if they had been divided north to south.</p>
<p>This could mean one of several things if we’re looking at a possible Arthur as <em>dux</em>: he helped those Britons north of the Wall against the <em>Picti</em> and/or <em>Scotti</em>; he fought against Britons north of the Wall (and attacking beyond the border was a usual tactic); the battles were the result of the province being expanded (Coel Hen is supposed to have fought around Srathclyde); he fought for or against Britons to their south (same tactic); he helped Britons to their south against <em>Scotti</em> raiders or in a British civil war &#8230; or the H.B. list and those who place them in the north are just wrong! Remembering how <a title="Gildas" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gildas" rel="wikipedia">Gildas</a> complained about civil wars, it could be any or all of these.</p>
<p>There is a good case for a northern Arthur, but, like everything else Arthurian, it is based on information that may not be accurate or, indeed, true. However, this is just as much about the case for the existence of a <em>military leader</em> in the region in the last quarter of the 5th century, and that is a possibility.</p>
<p>In the the Parts Five and Six we&#8217;ll look at the other two regions and conclusion on all this will appear in Part Seven..</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and I look forward to comments, thoughts … and corrections,</p>
<p>Mak</p>
<p>PS: HUGE thanks to the map maker <a href="http://steffworthington.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Steffon Worthington</a> for creating the Anne Dornier based map free of charge! There are lovely people at the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/groups/arthurtheking/" target="_blank">Facebook King Arthur Group</a> page!</p>
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